Treasury on the Joe Rogan Experience

2 fact-checked claims across 1 episode · Feb 2025 · updated Jul 10, 2026

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  1. My guess is that probably saves 100 billion a year.

    Musk estimates that requiring mandatory payment categorization codes at Treasury will save roughly $100 billion a year.

  2. responsible for almost $5 trillion of payments a year, roughly a billion dollars an hour.

    Musk claims the Treasury's payments system ("PAM") processes almost $5 trillion a year, or roughly a billion dollars an hour, often with no payment categorization code or description.