Tucker Carlson on surveillance: what the evidence says · JRE #2138

FACT CHECK // JRE #2138 // EXHIBIT LOG
EPISODE AIRED APR 1, 2024 · THE JOE ROGAN EXPERIENCE
CLAIM CMRCOS2JSTATUS: PUBLISHED
SUBJECT: SURVEILLANCE
Timestamp3:01:46
Aired
// 00 · ABSTRACT

The short answer

Carlson claims the Turner-Himes surveillance bill discussed would authorize warrantless spying on Americans in violation of the Fourth Amendment. This episode aired April 19, 2024, the same week Congress finalized the Reforming Intelligence and Securing America Act (RISAA), which reauthorized FISA Section 702 and included a Turner-Himes amendment expanding the definition of "electronic communication service provider" subject to compelled assistance.

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// THE CLAIM · ON TAPE
So basically warrantless. Oh, of course. Warrantless, absolutely. And in, you know, violation of the fourth amendment to the constitution.
Tucker Carlson@ 3:01:46
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What the evidence says 01 / RECORD

This episode aired April 19, 2024, the same week Congress finalized the Reforming Intelligence and Securing America Act (RISAA), which reauthorized FISA Section 702 and included a Turner-Himes amendment expanding the definition of "electronic communication service provider" subject to compelled assistance. Section 702 itself authorizes warrantless collection of foreign nationals' communications located abroad; communications involving Americans that are incidentally collected can then be searched by U.S. agencies without a warrant in what critics call "backdoor searches," a practice a federal district court held in December 2024 violates the Fourth Amendment absent a warrant or applicable exception. A bipartisan House amendment to require a warrant before querying Americans' data in this database failed on a 212-212 tie vote just before RISAA's passage. The underlying law is a foreign-intelligence collection authority with a contested, court-supervised carve-out for querying already-collected data, not a general statute authorizing warrantless domestic surveillance of Americans as such. Describing the bill as flatly authorizing warrantless spying "in violation of the Fourth Amendment" compresses a genuinely disputed legal question, on which courts have disagreed, into an unqualified constitutional violation, and elides the distinction between targeted foreign collection and the backdoor-search practice that is the actual locus of the dispute. The claim is best characterized as an overstatement of a real, legitimate controversy rather than an accurate description of the statute's legal status.

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