Jordan Peterson on history: what the evidence says · JRE #1769

FACT CHECK // JRE #1769 // EXHIBIT LOG
EPISODE AIRED JAN 1, 2022 · THE JOE ROGAN EXPERIENCE
CLAIM CMRCORZ1STATUS: PUBLISHED
SUBJECT: HISTORY
Timestamp2:16:55
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// THE CLAIM · ON TAPE
he was responsible for the death of somewhere between 50 and 70 million people yeah he changed the carbon footprint of the planet earth during his lifetime because he killed so many people
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What the evidence says 01 / RECORD

Historians' estimates of deaths attributable to the 13th-century Mongol conquests vary widely, with the most commonly repeated figure being roughly 40 million (a number rooted in a 1978 population-history estimate whose methodology has been questioned), and some outlier estimates ranging as high as 60-100 million; a 50-70 million floor is on the high end of the range and implausible as a baseline figure given that total world population at the time was under about 450 million. The claim that the resulting depopulation measurably changed the planet's carbon footprint traces to a single 2011 modeling study (Pongratz et al., published in The Holocene) that found Mongol-era reforestation absorbed roughly 700 million tons of carbon, but the study's own authors and title describe this as a "minor" global effect, reducing atmospheric CO2 by less than 0.1 parts per million, a negligible amount next to the roughly 100 ppm rise since industrialization. Subsequent peer-reviewed work re-examining comparable mass-mortality events, including the much larger and better-documented post-1492 depopulation of the Americas, likewise finds only gradual, modest, and disputed effects on atmospheric CO2 from historical population collapses, not a large or dramatic climate signal. Overall status: exaggerated, the death toll figure is above mainstream historical estimates and the carbon-footprint claim overstates a modeling result its own authors characterized as minor.

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